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<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Oct 16 2008, 03:54 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Oct 16 2008, 03:54 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Christians, SC/STs uphold conversion as constitutional right</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Taking away the right to convert will have grave consequences," said noted Christian leader John Dayal, who is a member of the National Integration Council.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]89152[/snapback][/right]Yeah, grave consequences for you and your kind, "John": no more $$$ from Papa..[right][snapback]89184[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not a joking matter. His threatening and scheming is not something to be taken lightly. He had issued veiled threats about Swami Lakshmanananda Saraswati for a long time and after the brutal murder referred to it obliquely, suspiciously even (Bodhi's #266). I can smell the blood on John Dayal's hands.
When the christoterrorist says 'grave consequences', it has murder and mayhem on its mind.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->rape of a nun<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christians should stop attacking their own (or any) women. They're just sick.
http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/30franc.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Conversions threaten a way of life</b>
December 30, 2005
Francois Gautier writes to Dr John Dayal, member, National Integration Council, in response to the letter he wrote Prime Minister Manmohan Singh:
Dear John Dayal,
[...]
Furthermore, you use false statistics, saying for instance that nuns have been raped. You no doubt allude to <b>the Jhabua rape case, when courts have shown that these nuns were not raped by Hindus, but by Christian tribals.</b>
I know, I went there and interviewed these innocent souls.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And when christians are not raping their own women, they just make up similarly-themed christian fables for the purposes of pinning them onto Hindus. Christianism is the Religion Of Lies after all, and the sheep will stoop to anything to further their Big Lie (jeebus). Never trust christianism speaking through its zombies' mouths.
See how they had already made up similar stories about Orissa earlier:
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1117614519
<b>Arun Shourie for VOI:</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The first to draw a lesson should be the press. In Chapter 10, Justice Wadhwa takes up "Other Proximate Incidents." The first of these is the alleged rape of Sister Jacqueline Mary on 3 February, 1999. "Orissa nun raped in moving car," the headlines declared, Justice Wadhwa records. "Orissa's second stain: nun raped," shouted the Indian Express, "Nun gangraped by men in sari in Orissa," hollered The Telegraph. The village "has become the rallying point of Christians of the area," the papers proclaimed. "The press, on the basis of some statement made by the pastor of the Church highlighted the role of some Hindu fundamentalist organizations," writes Justice Wadhwa. "....It was termed as a planned attack on the Church. It was said that there was a role of communal forces.... Electronic media was not far behind. It was highlighted as an anti-Christian attack." "Do not treat this as an isolated incident," the papers quoted teachers of a Christian convent school saying, "A communal conspiracy is suspected to be behind the rape."
There indeed was a conspiracy, and a communal one at that. The whole thing was a concoction -- by those whose agenda it is to paint Hindus as communalists on the rampage, and the RSS, BJP etc. as organizations which are orchestrating a "pogrom". "Investigations, however, revealed that what Sister Mary said in the FIR was not true," records Justice Wadhwa. "It was a made up story. Investigations found that there was in fact no rape of Sister Mary.... B. B. Panda, D(irector) G(eneral) (of) P(olice) stated that the 'rape of the nun' case was projected and highlighted all over the world and was also projected as an attack on Christians when in fact it was not true, and the case turned out to be false."
The second incident occurred on 7 February, 1999. Two children, aged 10 and 19, were found murdered, a third had sustained injuries. "This incident again attracted a great deal of publicity in the media, including electronic media," writes Justice Wadhwa. "Newspapers came up with the headings, 'Two Christians killed, one injured in Orissa,' '2 tribal Christians done to death in Kandhamal,' and 'Orissa hunts for Christians' killer'. Additional D. G. P. John Nayak reportedly said that the communal angle to the attempted rape and murder could not be ruled out...." "A certain political party even blamed the State and Central Governments," Justice Wadhwa recalls, "and stated that the inaction of the State Government in the Manoharpur missionary killing incident (the killing of Staines and his sons) and the alleged rape of the nun in Baripada encouraged miscreants to commit yet another crime in Kandhamal." "In short," he concludes, "as per various reports that appeared in the newspapers, the incident was taken as an attack on the Christians."
And what turned out to be the truth? "Ultimately investigation revealed that the crime was committed by a relative of the victims who was also a Christian," the Commission notes.
I'll come to the third incident in a moment, for it concerns an institution other than the press. The fourth incident occurred on 8 December, 1998. Tribals attacked the police station at Udaygiri, stormed the jail, dragged two undertrial prisoners out, and lynched them to death in front of the police station. After that, they burnt houses belonging to members of a particular caste, Pana. The incident too was projected as a Hindu-Christian encounter. It was nothing of the kind. The tribals were being harassed by criminals who happened to be from the Pana caste. The police had been doing nothing. One day the criminals robbed tribals of all their cash as they were proceeding to seek employment. That ignited the flash. But a Hindu-Christian clash it became!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's the effects of non-existent jeebus. He makes normal people into frightful compulsive liars, rapists and murderers.
<b>Now, getting back to the latest alleged rape case.</b>
Hmmm, there's a priesty called chellan calling itself an eye-witness. The question is, could he keep his hands to himself? Statistically speaking, how many christian priesties can...
http://www.odishatoday.com/orissa/Accused_...4512532698.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Friday, October 17, 2008
<b>3 accused in nun rape arrive Orissa, Father Chellan refuses to help Police</b>
By Anurjay Dhal
©Odisha Today
Bhubaneswar (Orissa) : Father Chellan, who was accompanying the 29-year-old nun when she was allegedly raped at K Nuagaon during the Orissa bandh on August 25, told police officials who met him at Chelanthera in Kerala refuses to help out investigating officials.
He said that he did not have faith in them. He is only eyewitness in the rape case
Will RSS apprehension of replicate of 1999 high dram probe right? Why the Father Chellan refuses to help Orissa Police, looking into the controversial nun rape case? Why Father takes u-turn? Was nun rape issue adversely haunting the Fatherâs image? These are few unanswered questions puzzled many after the Father refuses to help out investigating officials.
"He has refused to cooperate with us," Kundu said on returning from Kerala along with the three alleged rapists in the nun rape case.
State Crime Branch officials arrested the three accused Saroj Ghadei, Munna and Mitu Patnaik, who hails from Baliguda block of Kandhamal, with the help of their Kerala counterparts at Palakkad.
They were first taken to Coimbatore from Palakkad, where they stayed at the local Central Jail on Monday night as Civil Aviation Department did not clear certain formalities, from there to Bangalore and then fly to Bhubaneswar.
The priest has also lodged a separate complaint on the assault by a mob. Altogether eight persons have been arrested in connection with the rape, which the Orissa government has described as 'barbaric and shameful'.
Meanwhile, firebrand Hindu leader Govinadacharya led Rashtriya Swabhiman Andolan has enquired whether the alleged Kandhamal nun gang rape issue, a repeat of 1999 episode, in which nun Jacklin Merry (32) had alleged that she had been gang raped by a group of people on February 4, 1999. The matter was subsequently probed false.
RSA state chief Soumendra Jena while reacting to Kandhamal nun rape issue, said that it was pre-planned conspiracy to divert attention from Swami Laxmananda Saraswati murder case.
<b>According to reports, the matter took place on August 25 but the matter came to light after more than a month, which, we suspect as a major conspiracy of the church to cover the main issue, Jena alleged.</b>
Attacking one-sided media reports, Jena suggested going to the root and revealing the truth not trivia, he added.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So, the christos have been sitting on their rape case all this time only to haul it out into the light now? I wonder how this nun feels about her trauma being made into a stick to beat others with - or maybe she feels nothing at all, since the rape might never have happened and could turn out to be a hoax like so many christian allegations.
"Them Hindoos did it". Really? Is she sure it wasn't Phather Chellan, or Nobody? One can't blame me for asking... Christian nuns are fast losing public sympathy for their hobby of lying for their non-existent gawd.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Split Kandhamal district: Christians</b>
http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Oct1...795679.asp
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No.
Instead, how about the christoterrorists wing it out of India and into the many christian nations that will receive them with 'open arms'. I note that Slovakia treats its Indian converts to christianism (the Gypsies) really 'well': it sterilises the women, as I saw in a documentary. And Italy persecutes them, as posts in IF showed not too long ago. Germany and other countries deport them (and rightists politicos in the Czech republic want to do the same as per a news article posted on IF). Hey, the Converts of Kandhamal can do country-hopping for the rest of their lives: fleeing persecution from one set of European converts to the next!
The sort of fun thing christoterrorists of Kandhamal can look forward to in their new religion of Looooovvvveeee when they move to the holy christian lands (where I'm sure they want to be):
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/histories/victims/...Responses3.html
via http://freetruth.50webs.org/A6.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Following the collapse of the Third Reich, nothing was done to assist the Romani survivors, no effort made by the liberators to reorient them; instead, the terms of a 1926 pre-Nazi anti-Gypsy law which was still to effect ensured that those lacking a trade remained out of sight, hiding in the abandoned camps, for fear of arrest and incarceration. Since that time, all of the programs used by the Nazis to deal with Gypsies have been either suggested or implemented by various European nations -- <b>sterilizations in Slovakia, recommendations for incineration in a furnace from an Irish government official, forced incarceration and deportation in Germany (Kinzer, 1992). Today, the Romani population sees its severest crisis since the Holocaust; neo-Nazi race crimes against Gypsies have seen rapes, beatings and murders in Germany, Hungary and Slovakia; anti-Gypsy pogroms in Romania and Bulgaria, including lynchings and home burnings, are increasing.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But if India's own christoterrorists would rather not run around Europe, and would want to stay put in the subcontinent instead, I hear that Pukestan is Da Best Place for christianism (followed closely by Bunglingdesh)! Christos will love it there: they'll be treated by their islamaniac neighbours the way they've treated the Hindus of Orissa and NE.
If they must stay in Bharatam, they - which includes their christian goons who are into maoism (maoists often hide their christian affiliation behind their communist badge for reasons of future deniability) - should move to christoterrorised Nagaland, or antagonise a different sect of christian militants called the NLFT in Tripura. The christoterrorists of Nagaland and Tripura also started in the same way as those in Orissa now - and the predictable result is that the Hindus of Nagaland and Tripura have become marginalised, and are persecuted and genocided outright. The current fledgling christomaoist terrorists of Orissa in the future = NLFT of Tripura.
Bharatam is and always will be Dharmic land. Christos in India need to either shut up and get along, or get out. That's a better offer than they'd get from christoEurope which is hateful and violent toward the Indian christoconverts in their lands (Gypsies/Roma). Of course, I'm sure the christoterrorists of Kandhamal would greatly enjoy experiencing this side of christoEurope as a reward for murdering Swami Lakshmanananda and the other Hindus. They can think of it as being for the purposes of ... oh what's that word ... "atonement".
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Oct 16 2008, 03:54 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Oct 16 2008, 03:54 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Christians, SC/STs uphold conversion as constitutional right</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Taking away the right to convert will have grave consequences," said noted Christian leader John Dayal, who is a member of the National Integration Council.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]89152[/snapback][/right]Yeah, grave consequences for you and your kind, "John": no more $$$ from Papa..[right][snapback]89184[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not a joking matter. His threatening and scheming is not something to be taken lightly. He had issued veiled threats about Swami Lakshmanananda Saraswati for a long time and after the brutal murder referred to it obliquely, suspiciously even (Bodhi's #266). I can smell the blood on John Dayal's hands.
When the christoterrorist says 'grave consequences', it has murder and mayhem on its mind.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->rape of a nun<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christians should stop attacking their own (or any) women. They're just sick.
http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/30franc.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Conversions threaten a way of life</b>
December 30, 2005
Francois Gautier writes to Dr John Dayal, member, National Integration Council, in response to the letter he wrote Prime Minister Manmohan Singh:
Dear John Dayal,
[...]
Furthermore, you use false statistics, saying for instance that nuns have been raped. You no doubt allude to <b>the Jhabua rape case, when courts have shown that these nuns were not raped by Hindus, but by Christian tribals.</b>
I know, I went there and interviewed these innocent souls.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And when christians are not raping their own women, they just make up similarly-themed christian fables for the purposes of pinning them onto Hindus. Christianism is the Religion Of Lies after all, and the sheep will stoop to anything to further their Big Lie (jeebus). Never trust christianism speaking through its zombies' mouths.
See how they had already made up similar stories about Orissa earlier:
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1117614519
<b>Arun Shourie for VOI:</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The first to draw a lesson should be the press. In Chapter 10, Justice Wadhwa takes up "Other Proximate Incidents." The first of these is the alleged rape of Sister Jacqueline Mary on 3 February, 1999. "Orissa nun raped in moving car," the headlines declared, Justice Wadhwa records. "Orissa's second stain: nun raped," shouted the Indian Express, "Nun gangraped by men in sari in Orissa," hollered The Telegraph. The village "has become the rallying point of Christians of the area," the papers proclaimed. "The press, on the basis of some statement made by the pastor of the Church highlighted the role of some Hindu fundamentalist organizations," writes Justice Wadhwa. "....It was termed as a planned attack on the Church. It was said that there was a role of communal forces.... Electronic media was not far behind. It was highlighted as an anti-Christian attack." "Do not treat this as an isolated incident," the papers quoted teachers of a Christian convent school saying, "A communal conspiracy is suspected to be behind the rape."
There indeed was a conspiracy, and a communal one at that. The whole thing was a concoction -- by those whose agenda it is to paint Hindus as communalists on the rampage, and the RSS, BJP etc. as organizations which are orchestrating a "pogrom". "Investigations, however, revealed that what Sister Mary said in the FIR was not true," records Justice Wadhwa. "It was a made up story. Investigations found that there was in fact no rape of Sister Mary.... B. B. Panda, D(irector) G(eneral) (of) P(olice) stated that the 'rape of the nun' case was projected and highlighted all over the world and was also projected as an attack on Christians when in fact it was not true, and the case turned out to be false."
The second incident occurred on 7 February, 1999. Two children, aged 10 and 19, were found murdered, a third had sustained injuries. "This incident again attracted a great deal of publicity in the media, including electronic media," writes Justice Wadhwa. "Newspapers came up with the headings, 'Two Christians killed, one injured in Orissa,' '2 tribal Christians done to death in Kandhamal,' and 'Orissa hunts for Christians' killer'. Additional D. G. P. John Nayak reportedly said that the communal angle to the attempted rape and murder could not be ruled out...." "A certain political party even blamed the State and Central Governments," Justice Wadhwa recalls, "and stated that the inaction of the State Government in the Manoharpur missionary killing incident (the killing of Staines and his sons) and the alleged rape of the nun in Baripada encouraged miscreants to commit yet another crime in Kandhamal." "In short," he concludes, "as per various reports that appeared in the newspapers, the incident was taken as an attack on the Christians."
And what turned out to be the truth? "Ultimately investigation revealed that the crime was committed by a relative of the victims who was also a Christian," the Commission notes.
I'll come to the third incident in a moment, for it concerns an institution other than the press. The fourth incident occurred on 8 December, 1998. Tribals attacked the police station at Udaygiri, stormed the jail, dragged two undertrial prisoners out, and lynched them to death in front of the police station. After that, they burnt houses belonging to members of a particular caste, Pana. The incident too was projected as a Hindu-Christian encounter. It was nothing of the kind. The tribals were being harassed by criminals who happened to be from the Pana caste. The police had been doing nothing. One day the criminals robbed tribals of all their cash as they were proceeding to seek employment. That ignited the flash. But a Hindu-Christian clash it became!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It's the effects of non-existent jeebus. He makes normal people into frightful compulsive liars, rapists and murderers.
<b>Now, getting back to the latest alleged rape case.</b>
Hmmm, there's a priesty called chellan calling itself an eye-witness. The question is, could he keep his hands to himself? Statistically speaking, how many christian priesties can...
http://www.odishatoday.com/orissa/Accused_...4512532698.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Friday, October 17, 2008
<b>3 accused in nun rape arrive Orissa, Father Chellan refuses to help Police</b>
By Anurjay Dhal
©Odisha Today
Bhubaneswar (Orissa) : Father Chellan, who was accompanying the 29-year-old nun when she was allegedly raped at K Nuagaon during the Orissa bandh on August 25, told police officials who met him at Chelanthera in Kerala refuses to help out investigating officials.
He said that he did not have faith in them. He is only eyewitness in the rape case
Will RSS apprehension of replicate of 1999 high dram probe right? Why the Father Chellan refuses to help Orissa Police, looking into the controversial nun rape case? Why Father takes u-turn? Was nun rape issue adversely haunting the Fatherâs image? These are few unanswered questions puzzled many after the Father refuses to help out investigating officials.
"He has refused to cooperate with us," Kundu said on returning from Kerala along with the three alleged rapists in the nun rape case.
State Crime Branch officials arrested the three accused Saroj Ghadei, Munna and Mitu Patnaik, who hails from Baliguda block of Kandhamal, with the help of their Kerala counterparts at Palakkad.
They were first taken to Coimbatore from Palakkad, where they stayed at the local Central Jail on Monday night as Civil Aviation Department did not clear certain formalities, from there to Bangalore and then fly to Bhubaneswar.
The priest has also lodged a separate complaint on the assault by a mob. Altogether eight persons have been arrested in connection with the rape, which the Orissa government has described as 'barbaric and shameful'.
Meanwhile, firebrand Hindu leader Govinadacharya led Rashtriya Swabhiman Andolan has enquired whether the alleged Kandhamal nun gang rape issue, a repeat of 1999 episode, in which nun Jacklin Merry (32) had alleged that she had been gang raped by a group of people on February 4, 1999. The matter was subsequently probed false.
RSA state chief Soumendra Jena while reacting to Kandhamal nun rape issue, said that it was pre-planned conspiracy to divert attention from Swami Laxmananda Saraswati murder case.
<b>According to reports, the matter took place on August 25 but the matter came to light after more than a month, which, we suspect as a major conspiracy of the church to cover the main issue, Jena alleged.</b>
Attacking one-sided media reports, Jena suggested going to the root and revealing the truth not trivia, he added.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So, the christos have been sitting on their rape case all this time only to haul it out into the light now? I wonder how this nun feels about her trauma being made into a stick to beat others with - or maybe she feels nothing at all, since the rape might never have happened and could turn out to be a hoax like so many christian allegations.
"Them Hindoos did it". Really? Is she sure it wasn't Phather Chellan, or Nobody? One can't blame me for asking... Christian nuns are fast losing public sympathy for their hobby of lying for their non-existent gawd.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Split Kandhamal district: Christians</b>
http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Oct1...795679.asp
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->No.
Instead, how about the christoterrorists wing it out of India and into the many christian nations that will receive them with 'open arms'. I note that Slovakia treats its Indian converts to christianism (the Gypsies) really 'well': it sterilises the women, as I saw in a documentary. And Italy persecutes them, as posts in IF showed not too long ago. Germany and other countries deport them (and rightists politicos in the Czech republic want to do the same as per a news article posted on IF). Hey, the Converts of Kandhamal can do country-hopping for the rest of their lives: fleeing persecution from one set of European converts to the next!
The sort of fun thing christoterrorists of Kandhamal can look forward to in their new religion of Looooovvvveeee when they move to the holy christian lands (where I'm sure they want to be):
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/histories/victims/...Responses3.html
via http://freetruth.50webs.org/A6.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Following the collapse of the Third Reich, nothing was done to assist the Romani survivors, no effort made by the liberators to reorient them; instead, the terms of a 1926 pre-Nazi anti-Gypsy law which was still to effect ensured that those lacking a trade remained out of sight, hiding in the abandoned camps, for fear of arrest and incarceration. Since that time, all of the programs used by the Nazis to deal with Gypsies have been either suggested or implemented by various European nations -- <b>sterilizations in Slovakia, recommendations for incineration in a furnace from an Irish government official, forced incarceration and deportation in Germany (Kinzer, 1992). Today, the Romani population sees its severest crisis since the Holocaust; neo-Nazi race crimes against Gypsies have seen rapes, beatings and murders in Germany, Hungary and Slovakia; anti-Gypsy pogroms in Romania and Bulgaria, including lynchings and home burnings, are increasing.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But if India's own christoterrorists would rather not run around Europe, and would want to stay put in the subcontinent instead, I hear that Pukestan is Da Best Place for christianism (followed closely by Bunglingdesh)! Christos will love it there: they'll be treated by their islamaniac neighbours the way they've treated the Hindus of Orissa and NE.
If they must stay in Bharatam, they - which includes their christian goons who are into maoism (maoists often hide their christian affiliation behind their communist badge for reasons of future deniability) - should move to christoterrorised Nagaland, or antagonise a different sect of christian militants called the NLFT in Tripura. The christoterrorists of Nagaland and Tripura also started in the same way as those in Orissa now - and the predictable result is that the Hindus of Nagaland and Tripura have become marginalised, and are persecuted and genocided outright. The current fledgling christomaoist terrorists of Orissa in the future = NLFT of Tripura.
Bharatam is and always will be Dharmic land. Christos in India need to either shut up and get along, or get out. That's a better offer than they'd get from christoEurope which is hateful and violent toward the Indian christoconverts in their lands (Gypsies/Roma). Of course, I'm sure the christoterrorists of Kandhamal would greatly enjoy experiencing this side of christoEurope as a reward for murdering Swami Lakshmanananda and the other Hindus. They can think of it as being for the purposes of ... oh what's that word ... "atonement".
Death to traitors.